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Re: Announcement - Billions of investment on tram, train and bus projects.
In "Looking forward - the next 5, 10 and 20 years" [361970/30318/40]
Posted by Red Squirrel at 18:33, 5th June 2025
Already liked by Mark A
 
Nothing for Devon & Cornwall - Quelle surprise!

How about this for an idea? Since our government has decided that it can spend £15Bn, of our money, on transport projects why not complete the section of GWML Electrification between Chippenham (ish) and Bristol. A better service for passengers, Ed Miliband would be very pleased with the reduction in diesel emissions, and the NIMBY's in Bath aren't going to vote for you anyway so you can just tell them, politely, to go away.

Once again I see it’s time to play whack-a-mole with the old chestnut about ‘Bath NIMBYs’ blocking GWML electrification. They didn’t. Bath Preservation Trust very rightly insisted that the OHLE was done in a way that didn’t disfigure their city, but they had agreed a scheme with Network Rail when the project was canned. GWML electrification wasn’t blocked by Bath NIMBY’s; Greyling did that.

Re: Announcement - Billions of investment on tram, train and bus projects.
In "Looking forward - the next 5, 10 and 20 years" [361969/30318/40]
Posted by bradshaw at 18:19, 5th June 2025
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Modern Railways covers the Scottish rolling electrification programme in the June edition.
https://www.modernrailways.com/article/scotlands-rolling-programme-cuts-electrification-costs-26
Sections of the article are copied below
  the cost of electrification per kilometre in Scotland had reduced from £2.7 million to £2 million over the course of the past five years
The rolling programme was a fundamental part of the reduction.

we can do slightly better each time because we find slightly better ways of doing it. Retention of skills is absolutely critical to our ability to do that.

Re: Train hits tractor and trailer on level crossing 22/05/2025.
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [361968/30290/51]
Posted by a-driver at 14:26, 5th June 2025
Already liked by Oxonhutch
 
All safety critical photo calls made into or out of a signal box are recorded. 


Re: Announcement - Billions of investment on tram, train and bus projects.
In "Looking forward - the next 5, 10 and 20 years" [361967/30318/40]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 14:01, 5th June 2025
 
Nothing for Devon & Cornwall - Quelle surprise!

How about this for an idea? Since our government has decided that it can spend £15Bn, of our money, on transport projects why not complete the section of GWML Electrification between Chippenham (ish) and Bristol. A better service for passengers, Ed Miliband would be very pleased with the reduction in diesel emissions, and the NIMBY's in Bath aren't going to vote for you anyway so you can just tell them, politely, to go away.

How much would it cost & how long would it take?

Re: Train hits tractor and trailer on level crossing 22/05/2025.
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [361966/30290/51]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 14:00, 5th June 2025
 
.....which was not recorded.....

Should it have been and the process was not completed for some reason? I would have thought the recording of such a potentially safety critical interaction should be mandatory.

I don't think user phones at UWCs are, in general - but maybe that has changed. In any case, analysing any recordings would still take more time and precaution than would allow a quick initial conclusion. 

Given the wide availability of call recording technology and safety critical nature of the locations and the calls for which they are used, if those phones aren't suitably equipped for call recording I would find it absolutely breathtaking.

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [361965/29650/26]
Posted by Electric train at 13:14, 5th June 2025
 
Burnham Station, according to the Bucks Free Press.


https://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/25214998.burnham-station-bridge-lorry-crash-roof-ripped-off/

Would seem to have been a bit of sandwich 

Re: Train hits tractor and trailer on level crossing 22/05/2025.
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [361964/30290/51]
Posted by stuving at 12:40, 5th June 2025
 
.....which was not recorded.....

Should it have been and the process was not completed for some reason? I would have thought the recording of such a potentially safety critical interaction should be mandatory.

I don't think user phones at UWCs are, in general - but maybe that has changed. In any case, analysing any recordings would still take more time and precaution than would allow a quick initial conclusion. 

Re: Train hits tractor and trailer on level crossing 22/05/2025.
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [361963/30290/51]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 11:38, 5th June 2025
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.....which was not recorded.....

Should it have been and the process was not completed for some reason? I would have thought the recording of such a potentially safety critical interaction should be mandatory.

Re: Announcement - Billions of investment on tram, train and bus projects.
In "Looking forward - the next 5, 10 and 20 years" [361962/30318/40]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 11:24, 5th June 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby, Kernow Otter
 
Nothing for Devon & Cornwall - Quelle surprise!

How about this for an idea? Since our government has decided that it can spend £15Bn, of our money, on transport projects why not complete the section of GWML Electrification between Chippenham (ish) and Bristol. A better service for passengers, Ed Miliband would be very pleased with the reduction in diesel emissions, and the NIMBY's in Bath aren't going to vote for you anyway so you can just tell them, politely, to go away.

Re: Announcement - Billions of investment on tram, train and bus projects.
In "Looking forward - the next 5, 10 and 20 years" [361961/30318/40]
Posted by Noggin at 11:03, 5th June 2025
 
I believe it's a little duller than that. Basically the reinstatement of the 2027 to 2032 Mayoral Authority funding settlement which was announced in Oct 2023 but frozen by Labour when they came into power.

It follows on from the 2022 to 2027 settlement which in the case of WECA, has mainly been bus and road focused, although there's been a fair amount of rail strategic planning with NR including a study into whether Parkway to Temple Meads could be electrified for less than originally budgeted.

I'm not sure if a detailed pipeline for 2027 to 2032 is in the public domain - the main commitments I can find are reopening Portishead (MetroWest 1b) and Henbury (MetroWest 2).

Mass transit development could be something exciting, but realistically it's probably just bits like moving the busses to the north side of Temple Meads, roadworks along the A37 and A4 corridors to make the busses run faster etc.

I suspect that in the case of WECA it's PR fluff rather than anything meaningful.


I'm hoping for more than that, although with past years in mind. The devil will be in the dtail, and there isn't much at this stage.

Perhaps I was too pessimistic?

Within that 2027 to 2032 window, we should have in the bag Portishead and Henbury reopening, five new stations and a reworked Temple Meads.

I'm not certain around the timelines but the rail/metrobus/cycling infrastructure around Brabazon looks pretty good on paper (though obviously a more frequent rail service would be better) and should be fairly transformational for the Cribbs to UWE "arc".

Support for small, incremental rail projects seem plausible - e.g. Narroways to Montpelier tunnel redoubling, Saltford, Ashton Gate, St Anne’s Park and Lockleaze station reopenings and perhaps even Filton Bank electrification. 


Re: Train hits tractor and trailer on level crossing 22/05/2025.
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [361960/30290/51]
Posted by stuving at 10:45, 5th June 2025
 
Playing devil's advocate - it doesn't say that he got permission to cross though - don't you think that they'd have added those few words?
No. Whether a telephone conversation (which was not recorded) provided "permission" is not the kind of simple fact that can be determined at the outset of an investigation. It is likely to be contentious, and a different interpretation of what went on by the two parties has caused such accidents in the past. In other words, you are looking for evidence of confusion and find that the evidence itself is confused - so you avoid jumping to conclusions.

Re: Train hits tractor and trailer on level crossing 22/05/2025.
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [361959/30290/51]
Posted by ChrisB at 08:54, 5th June 2025
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Playing devil's advocate - it doesn't say that he got permission to cross though - don't you think that they'd have added those few words?

To Ukraine by plane and train
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [361958/30320/52]
Posted by Marlburian at 08:37, 5th June 2025
 
An Ukrainian friend long resident in the UK recently returned home for ten days to meet her brother (a paramilitary firefighter) and a friend. She flew from Stansted to Rzeszow in Eastern Poland  and took a bus to Przemysl on the border with Ukraine and then an overnight train  to Kyiv, some 300 miles away, in a four-berth sleeper compartment that was not very comfortable. This enabled her to “sleep in” when the train arrived at 0215, rather than de-training and being on her own with luggage at that time of the morning.

Life in the capital city seemed almost normal, though sirens sounded a number of times and she spotted a couple of missiles.

On the return train journey, there was an oppressive checking of passports by aggressive officials. She was travelling on her British passport, which an official looked at with a sneer, asking “What’s this?”  It may not have helped that she primarily speaks Russian – as do around 12-15% of Ukrainians, with another 20-30% using both Russian and Ukrainian. Historically, Russian was more widely spoken, but the war has led to a shift towards Ukrainian.

The officials took away all the passengers’ passports but returned them before the train crossed into Poland.

Though she's been to Ukraine at least once since the invasion, to "rescue" her mother, without problems with her phone she had trouble getting it to work this time, not only when contacting people back in England, but when trying to communicate with the taxi driver who'd called to collect her from her hotel. She had to buy a new SIM card with a new number.

Re: Night Riviera Sleeper train - between Paddington and Penzance
In "London to the West" [361957/489/12]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 07:20, 5th June 2025
 
23:45 London Paddington to Penzance due 07:55

23:45 London Paddington to Penzance due 07:55 will be terminated at Bodmin Parkway.
It will no longer call at Lostwithiel, Par, St Austell, Truro, Redruth, Camborne, Hayle, St Erth and Penzance.
This is due to a fault on this train.

Re: Train hits tractor and trailer on level crossing 22/05/2025.
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [361956/30290/51]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 06:45, 5th June 2025
Already liked by Mark A, PrestburyRoad, rogerw
 
Rant time.

A major problem at farm crossings all around the UK. Too many farmers ignore the safety rules by either leaving gates open, not seeking permission to cross or not confirming afterwards that the gates are closed and the crossing is clear for a train to proceed. And if any livestock is killed on the track it's always the fault of the railway, not the impatient farmer who didn't close the gate(s).

Hopefully this farmer is convicted.

Rant over.

Thankfully very few injuries. The worse case scenario, one train derails and is struck by another train.

From the RAIB

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/collision-between-a-train-and-an-agricultural-trailer-at-nordan-farm-user-worked-level-crossing?fbclid=IwY2xjawKuC9NleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFBYmZKV0lZWjVVVHJ3VlRPAR5P9niXBe2dPwGakmuwkMHMcQeJD6UFY-ubeAmicBM7V5ZAVdD9ap4q3jU04Q_aem_FbaGDzgW3wnNb6Yb-QGECw

Before leaping to conclusions/convictions, no doubt readers will note "The evidence available to RAIB shows that the driver of the tractor involved in this accident telephoned the signaller before using the crossing".

Re: German experience - not quite as punctual as its old reputation would suggest
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [361955/30313/52]
Posted by RichardB at 22:22, 4th June 2025
 
On my Interrail trip last year, it was really only German long distance services I had any problem with (and even then, as described above, it was nothing disastrous).  I took a few German local services and they were all fine.

Switzerland - as excellent as you'd expect.  Holland and Belgium all fine.  The Italian Frecciarossa trains were brilliant - fast, frequent and just lovely trains.  A vast change from my first experience of FS in the early 80s!

Re: To Aachen and back- by train
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [361954/30319/52]
Posted by RichardB at 22:15, 4th June 2025
 
There's a really good model railway shop in the centre of Aachen too - close to the Town Hall.

Re: Coventry - Very Light Railway - merged posts
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [361953/30245/28]
Posted by johnneyw at 21:30, 4th June 2025
 
The Coventry VLR trail is set to expand with £12m allocated by the DfT to to extend the track from Coventry Station to Coventry University.
12 million quid might seem quite a modest amount but that's what VLR is all about.

More in the link below:

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventry-very-light-rail-expanded-31778868

To Aachen and back- by train
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [361952/30319/52]
Posted by eightonedee at 20:03, 4th June 2025
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Part One- the outward journey.

Grahame is not the only forum member to be sampling rail travel across the Channel in recent days. My wife and I spent a few days in Germany, based in Aachen, over the weekend, celebrating her birthday by visiting two cathedrals covered in a recent WEA course she has attended (Aachen and Trier) and the surrounding general area.
We’ve used Eurostar as our preferred way of getting to much of France and the Benelux countries for some years, so decided to add Germany to the list of counties visited by this means. Aachen is only just in Germany, both the Netherlands and Belgium being almost within walking distance of the city. I booked tickets through SNCB, the Belgian national railway company, travelling via Brussels each way. I hope this account might be of interest and assistance to forum members who might be contemplating visiting this part of the world.

As it happens, our outwards journey was the first with any problems after 10 clear on-time journeys on Eurostar. Having checked in, and arrived in the crowded departures area at St Pancras, the displays changed to show that our 13-00 departure was now expected to depart at 14-30. We were booked on an onwards DB ICE due to depart 20 minutes after our due arrival time. To their credit, Eurostar immediately announced that anyone with onward journeys from Lille or Brussels should attend their information desk to get help with alternative arrangements. In our case, we were given a handwritten note confirming that the Eurostar train was delayed by up to two hours franked with an official rubber stamp, and told to present it in Brussels and we would likely be issued a replacement ticket on a later train at no cost. We might not even need this – the certificate itself may work. They could not help with times, but recommended checking on-line, and it was easy to confirm that there was a DB ICE every two hours.

On the train, a member of crew went through the train asked who was affected by missing booked connections, and we were advised to go to the ticket and information at Brussels Midi. This we did, and a very helpful person with excellent English glanced at our certificate, and told us that we needed nothing more, and should just get on the next (18-25) ICE and show the certificate on any ticket inspection.

This was my first mainline German train trip, albeit mostly across Belgium, and we were treated to one of their mark 3 ICE high-speed trains. Very satisfactory, clean and comfortable it was too. The ticket inspector simply asked if we were one of the passengers affected by the Eurostar delay, and accepted our “yes” without actually inspecting either our ticket or certificate! Despite all the negative publicity about DB in recent times, it ran to time (as did GWR from Goring to Paddington on the way to London).

Tip for anyone thinking of travelling to Aachen from St Pancras – the Eurostar fare on the ex-Thalys service using old 1990s TGV-type trains is £81, on the DB ICE it is £31-36, a little less for us as we were “seniors”. Both take the same high-speed track, but the DB service takes all of between 3 and 6 minutes longer, and both run about once every two hours.

Aachen station looks like a post-war reconstruction, a pleasant enough building, and sits on an attractive square south of the old city centre. Unfortunately, it is also a magnet for all the alcoholics and down-and-outs of the city, and this is reflected also in a conspicuous police and security presence. The city itself has an attractive centre around the cathedral, old townhall and an interesting museum at the Charlemagne Centre, this being Charlemagne city. It gives the history of the city from pre-Roman times to the post-war period. The city, as a transport hub and an early target in the “liberation” of Germany in 1944 was very heavily bombed. Much of the rest of the city is typical post-war reconstruction ex-West Germany, albeit a little shabbier than many other similar cities. It is not so good as a base if you want to see Trier as well and use public transport. We “cheated” and hired a car, which also gave us an opportunity to see some of the attractive hilly country of the Ardennes, Haute Fagnes and Eifel National Parks and Moselle valley around the area where Germany, Belgium and Luxembourg meet. Aachen does however have good rail and bus links with Cologne, Maastricht, Eupen and Liege if you fancy an international sightseeing break.

Next time-the way home....
 

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [361951/29650/26]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:53, 4th June 2025
 
Burnham Station, according to the Bucks Free Press.

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [361950/29650/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 16:48, 4th June 2025
 
Does anyone know which bridge was struck?

I believe it was Burnham.

Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [361949/1219/28]
Posted by TonyK at 16:08, 4th June 2025
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I don't believe that this has only just been classified as an England & wales project at this stage - so why complain only now?

Oooh look, a chance to bash the London government and get my name in the paper, along with my "angry" photo.

Re: Announcement - Billions of investment on tram, train and bus projects.
In "Looking forward - the next 5, 10 and 20 years" [361948/30318/40]
Posted by TonyK at 16:03, 4th June 2025
 
I believe it's a little duller than that. Basically the reinstatement of the 2027 to 2032 Mayoral Authority funding settlement which was announced in Oct 2023 but frozen by Labour when they came into power.

It follows on from the 2022 to 2027 settlement which in the case of WECA, has mainly been bus and road focused, although there's been a fair amount of rail strategic planning with NR including a study into whether Parkway to Temple Meads could be electrified for less than originally budgeted.

I'm not sure if a detailed pipeline for 2027 to 2032 is in the public domain - the main commitments I can find are reopening Portishead (MetroWest 1b) and Henbury (MetroWest 2).

Mass transit development could be something exciting, but realistically it's probably just bits like moving the busses to the north side of Temple Meads, roadworks along the A37 and A4 corridors to make the busses run faster etc.

I suspect that in the case of WECA it's PR fluff rather than anything meaningful.


I'm hoping for more than that, although with past years in mind. The devil will be in the dtail, and there isn't much at this stage.

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [361947/29650/26]
Posted by Hal at 13:39, 4th June 2025
 
Does anyone know which bridge was struck?

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [361946/29650/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 13:09, 4th June 2025
 
Cancellations to services between Slough and Reading

Due to a road vehicle colliding with a bridge earlier on this train's journey between Slough and Reading trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed.

 Disruption is expected until 14:00 04/06.

Re: Announcement - Billions of investment on tram, train and bus projects.
In "Looking forward - the next 5, 10 and 20 years" [361945/30318/40]
Posted by Noggin at 11:51, 4th June 2025
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I believe it's a little duller than that. Basically the reinstatement of the 2027 to 2032 Mayoral Authority funding settlement which was announced in Oct 2023 but frozen by Labour when they came into power.

It follows on from the 2022 to 2027 settlement which in the case of WECA, has mainly been bus and road focused, although there's been a fair amount of rail strategic planning with NR including a study into whether Parkway to Temple Meads could be electrified for less than originally budgeted.

I'm not sure if a detailed pipeline for 2027 to 2032 is in the public domain - the main commitments I can find are reopening Portishead (MetroWest 1b) and Henbury (MetroWest 2).

Mass transit development could be something exciting, but realistically it's probably just bits like moving the busses to the north side of Temple Meads, roadworks along the A37 and A4 corridors to make the busses run faster etc.

I suspect that in the case of WECA it's PR fluff rather than anything meaningful.





 

Re: Announcement - Billions of investment on tram, train and bus projects.
In "Looking forward - the next 5, 10 and 20 years" [361944/30318/40]
Posted by John D at 11:33, 4th June 2025
 
Government announcement with the amounts and main projects by region

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/biggest-ever-investment-in-city-region-local-transport-as-chancellor-vows-the-renewal-of-britain

For West of England £800m
£150m to improve rail infrastructure across the region, including funding to support WECA’s ambitions for increased frequency of services between Brabazon and the city centre. £200m for Mass transit development between Bristol, Bath, South Gloucestershire and North Somerset.

Doesn't say what the other £450m is for.
WECA haven't uploaded anything about it, so at moment what else is funded is a mystery.



Re: Announcement - Billions of investment on tram, train and bus projects.
In "Looking forward - the next 5, 10 and 20 years" [361943/30318/40]
Posted by ChrisB at 10:38, 4th June 2025
 
£800m for West of England to improve rail infrastructure, provide more frequent trains between the Brabazon industrial estate in Bristol and the city centre, and develop mass transit between Bristol, Bath, South Gloucestershire and North Somerset

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Re: European Passengers Federation - 13th and 14th June 2025
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [361942/29670/52]
Posted by grahame at 10:02, 4th June 2025
 
If you might report a precis back here, it would be helpful - ticketing on day 1 & Mark Hopwood on Day 2 the most interesting - along with Bryony's 'Women in Transport'....

Indeed ... and I also have rate clarification from Bryony

€50 for TravelWatch SouthWest members. And of course to become a member for life it only costs a pound.

Re: European Passengers Federation - 13th and 14th June 2025
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [361941/29670/52]
Posted by ChrisB at 10:00, 4th June 2025
 
If you might report a precis back here, it would be helpful - ticketing on day 1 & Mark Hopwood on Day 2 the most interesting - along with Bryony's 'Women in Transport'....

 
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