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Re: 30 cancellations on the North Downs this morning
In "North Downs Line" [362016/30321/16]
Posted by grahame at 10:12, 7th June 2025
Already liked by Timmer
 
I have been suggesting a Weymouth trip ... however, weather forecast has got worse ... I will probably go to Melksham Station and make a last hour / minute / second choice there.  I have pictures of Weymouth in the wet already!
Sigh, yes the weather doesn’t look good. I was planning a day trip today, but based on the forecast decided against. I’ve done Weymouth in the wet and I didn’t stay very long getting the next train home after a bite to eat.

At Melksham - +17-2 on the 09:09 ... the major destination being Weymouth, and it was explained to me buy one group that it doesn't rain in the pub.  Also passengerd headed towards Portsmouth and Taunton.    No real reason to travel and lots else to do ... the photolibrary update of some parts of Weymouth can wait, so I am back home.

Re: My new car, as yet unbuilt, is already in love with me
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [362015/30325/5]
Posted by Marlburian at 10:08, 7th June 2025
 
Thanks. With my low mileage the protection plans offer poorer value than they might for other drivers.

An irony is that I've never been too keen on cars and could almost cope without one. I do about 400 miles a year on necessary chores, such as the weekly Big Shop (though I've successfully used Home Delivery several times). In fact I've only motored 10,100 miles in 45 months (it would have been a bit more but for ill-health), and much of that was to get out into the country for walks - which I could do by public transport as I live conveniently close to a railway station serving five different routes.

Another curiosity of the quotation, noticed only when I got home, was a £750 delivery fee. The salesman, in his third week in the job, seemed to think that car, a Vauxhall Corsa, would be made at Luton, 56 miles away; in fact production is in Zaragoza, Spain.

I did some token havering, on the lines of "thinking about it over the weekend", but succumbed to the sales talk about the need to get my order in for an August delivery. Previously I had done some on-line comparisons and reckon that the deal I signed up to wasn't too bad - with the convenience factor of having the dealer less than three miles away.  And no doubt those website prices would be lower than any final quotations.

Re: Train hits tractor and trailer on level crossing 22/05/2025.
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [362014/30290/51]
Posted by LiskeardRich at 09:29, 7th June 2025
Already liked by TaplowGreen
 
Interesting perspective on the issues and risks involved with these types of crossings in general.....

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/12K9u3WiHKT/

And you can't disagree with what that farmer is saying

When I worked in a box, we had a panel with a button for each crossing, anytime someone called from a crossing the button illuminated so we knew exactly what crossing they were be calling from.  I don't know if that's still the case though. 

Workload is a big issue.  One signaller can only manage a certain amount of these crossings.  If you've got 20 crossings in your area and a queue of calls waiting to be answered mistakes are going to be made.  Signallers are only human, we are all prone to making mistakes, there needs to be a fail safe method of working. 

Can't they just install automatic gates on all crossings, as seems to be the suggestion?

Or at least lights

Re: Penleigh Park Level Crossing (Westbury Avoiding Line) Closure Application.
In "London to the West" [362013/30322/12]
Posted by rogerpatenall at 08:40, 7th June 2025
 
But is any estimate from Network Rail not multiplied by a factor of 10 for 'Contribution to overheads'?

As an aside - at our old house in France we sometimes have to have estimates from builders, etc. We know that every time one looks at a job and says 'Bizarre' , that equates to another 0 on the end of the quote.

Re: My new car, as yet unbuilt, is already in love with me
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [362011/30325/5]
Posted by Western Pathfinder at 08:26, 7th June 2025
Already liked by Timmer
 
Glad to hear that you have avoided being seriously overcharged by the dealer,for your protection packages,however they are a good idea especially the interior treatment,especially if the process comes with an inspection and re application after a period of time has gone by,as for the exterior bodywork,many reputable firms offer a ceramic paint coating service which I find makes life much easier especially when it comes to keeping the vehicles appearance up to the desired level,so it's worth having a shop around locally to see what's on offer .
As for extending the warranty,if what is offered by the dealer is backed by the manufacturer of the vehicle then it may well be worth considering,however if it's from a third party operation,then  caveat emptor ! after sales warranty is not a guarantee,it is an insurance policy against mechanical failures,and in my experience and that of my customers,most offers leave a lot to be desired......
Good luck with your new purchase,and many happy miles/ years of trouble free motoring.

Re: 30 cancellations on the North Downs this morning
In "North Downs Line" [362010/30321/16]
Posted by eightonedee at 08:03, 7th June 2025
 

As to Timmer's first post above (with GWR' s advice), that advice is totally inadequate.  It assumes all traffic is through traffic from Reading to Gatwick and ignores the fact that the line is an important local line for the Blackwater Valley and Surrey Hills areas.

At the very least there should be advice that travellers between Reading and Farnborough and Guildford should go via Basingstoke and (in the latter case) Woking, Wokingham passengers should use SWT and some information on buses for other destinations. Have any arrangements been made for buses to accept GWR tickets? Some should be made ASAP.

Re: Train hits tractor and trailer on level crossing 22/05/2025.
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [362009/30290/51]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 07:54, 7th June 2025
 
Interesting perspective on the issues and risks involved with these types of crossings in general.....

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/12K9u3WiHKT/

And you can't disagree with what that farmer is saying

When I worked in a box, we had a panel with a button for each crossing, anytime someone called from a crossing the button illuminated so we knew exactly what crossing they were be calling from.  I don't know if that's still the case though. 

Workload is a big issue.  One signaller can only manage a certain amount of these crossings.  If you've got 20 crossings in your area and a queue of calls waiting to be answered mistakes are going to be made.  Signallers are only human, we are all prone to making mistakes, there needs to be a fail safe method of working. 

Can't they just install automatic gates on all crossings, as seems to be the suggestion?

Re: 30 cancellations on the North Downs this morning
In "North Downs Line" [362008/30321/16]
Posted by Timmer at 07:51, 7th June 2025
 
I have been suggesting a Weymouth trip ... however, weather forecast has got worse ... I will probably go to Melksham Station and make a last hour / minute / second choice there.  I have pictures of Weymouth in the wet already!
Sigh, yes the weather doesn’t look good. I was planning a day trip today, but based on the forecast decided against. I’ve done Weymouth in the wet and I didn’t stay very long getting the next train home after a bite to eat.

Re: 30 cancellations on the North Downs this morning
In "North Downs Line" [362007/30321/16]
Posted by Timmer at 07:48, 7th June 2025
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Cancellations to services between Reading and Gatwick Airport via Guildford

Due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time disruption is expected until the end of the day.

Train services between Reading and Gatwick Airport via Guildford and Redhill may be cancelled.

Customer Advice

What has happened?

Some of the trains that operate between Reading and Gatwick Airport have developed faults which means we are not able to use them until repaired. This means some services, in both directions, between Reading and Gatwick Airport will be cancelled.

What are we doing about it?

Our maintenance team are working on the trains to get them back into service as soon as we can.

What are my options?

Option 1: Use the National Rail Enquiries real-time journey planner to check if a journey by rail is currently possible. If you are at a station please check the Live Departure Boards or speak to a member of our station team.

Option 2: Your ticket can be used, at no extra cost, with the following operators, in both directions on these routes:

Elizabeth line services between London Paddington and Farringdon.
Thameslink services between Farringdon and Gatwick Airport.

South Western Railway services between Guildford and Clapham Junction.
Southern services between Clapham Junction and Gatwick Airport.

If you had intended to changing trains at Reading to catch a train towards Gatwick Airport, your ticket will be valid to continue on the train to London Paddington for travel via Farringdon.

Option 3: Replacement transport provided by us such as a buses, coaches or taxis, will not be provided as there are train services running. However, we will continue to monitor the need for this as the situation develops and provide updates here.

Option 4: Travel at a later time. You might want to consider postponing your journey until our service returns to normal.

After all the recent promotion by GWR of taking the train to Gatwick airport from Reading, this is most unfortunate and highlights the need to get on with procuring new trains to replace the turbos.

Re: 30 cancellations on the North Downs this morning
In "North Downs Line" [362006/30321/16]
Posted by grahame at 07:22, 7th June 2025
 
Last Saturday the Weymouth service was operated by 166 207.  I believe all the 166s are based at St Philip’s Marsh.

...

I have been suggesting a Weymouth trip ... however, weather forecast has got worse ... I will probably go to Melksham Station and make a last hour / minute / second choice there.  I have pictures of Weymouth in the wet already!

Re: 30 cancellations on the North Downs this morning
In "North Downs Line" [362005/30321/16]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 07:14, 7th June 2025
 
05:59 Gatwick Airport to Reading due 07:33
06:28 Reading to Gatwick Airport due 07:54
06:51 Reading to Redhill due 08:28
07:52 Reading to Gatwick Airport due 09:26
07:59 Gatwick Airport to Reading due 09:30
08:36 Redhill to Reading due 09:57
09:30 Gatwick Airport to Reading due 11:04
09:54 Reading to Gatwick Airport due 11:25
10:24 Reading to Gatwick Airport due 11:55
11:24 Reading to Gatwick Airport due 12:55
11:29 Gatwick Airport to Reading due 12:57
11:59 Gatwick Airport to Reading due 13:27
12:59 Gatwick Airport to Reading due 14:27
13:24 Reading to Gatwick Airport due 14:55
13:54 Reading to Gatwick Airport due 15:25
14:54 Reading to Gatwick Airport due 16:25
14:59 Gatwick Airport to Reading due 16:28
15:29 Gatwick Airport to Reading due 17:02
16:29 Gatwick Airport to Reading due 18:00
16:50 Reading to Gatwick Airport due 18:25
17:20 Reading to Gatwick Airport due 18:55
18:21 Reading to Gatwick Airport due 19:55
18:29 Gatwick Airport to Reading due 19:57
18:59 Gatwick Airport to Reading due 20:28
19:59 Gatwick Airport to Reading due 21:37
20:22 Reading to Gatwick Airport due 21:57
20:54 Reading to Gatwick Airport due 22:25
22:01 Gatwick Airport to Reading due 23:21
22:30 Gatwick Airport to Reading due 00:17
23:33 Reading to Gatwick Airport due 01:08

23:33 Reading to Gatwick Airport due 01:08 will be cancelled.
This is due to a fault on this train.

All train faults / More trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.  Is there some general problem? 

I'm not sure what the diagram is this summer of the Saturday Swindon to Weymouth train, but can anyone advise if the risk of it being cancelled tomorrow (I think it's been a Reading based unit in the past) is significant? 



Similar story today.

Re: First Group announce new open access service to Hereford
In "London to the Cotswolds" [362004/30323/14]
Posted by Richard Fairhurst at 22:43, 6th June 2025
 
The head of Open Access at FirstGroup posts to a Certain Other Forum and is adamant that there are Chinese walls between the DfT-contracted parts of First and the OA parts! Which I'm sure is true.

I think the point is rather that DfT mandated GWR to make savings; the little-used Cotswold through services to Hereford were an easy way to cut a lot of (effectively) dead mileage; and so it happened. Can't blame them at all for that.

But (Chinese walls notwithstanding) First's OA division will be very aware that the gains from Hereford itself are not that huge. Effectively this is a way of running OA services from Bristol Parkway to Paddington, with a little bit of extra revenue from Cwmbran, Abergavenny and Hereford.

Re: To Aachen and back- by train
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [362003/30319/52]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 22:14, 6th June 2025
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I believe the town was acquired after the first significant disagreement, and German in that part of the country is the official one.

Re: Penleigh Park Level Crossing (Westbury Avoiding Line) Closure Application.
In "London to the West" [362002/30322/12]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:08, 6th June 2025
 
£5,000,000 pounds for a footbridge to replace the crossing

Eyewatering!

I hesitate to imagine how that cost is broken down, but it's not all going to be design, steelwork and labour

Ridiculous.  Someone mentioned it's a railway job, that's automatically an additional zero added!


Yep.  We've been quoted £1,000,000 for Network Rail to provide a disabled ramp at Nailsea & Backwell. 


Re: To Aachen and back- by train
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [362001/30319/52]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:45, 6th June 2025
 
... and the on-train signs and announcements switched to Flemish.
I wonder if, when the train approaches the Belgian town of Eupen, the announcements all change to German.

Ahem.  "Don't mention the War", as Basil Fawlty said. 


Re: First Group announce new open access service to Hereford
In "London to the Cotswolds" [362000/30323/14]
Posted by ChrisB at 21:05, 6th June 2025
 
If the DfT request that GWR drop shared services with another TOC & the operator disagrees, of course they form an OA opportunity

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [361999/29726/18]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 19:46, 6th June 2025
 
17:50 Gloucester to Salisbury due 20:06
17:50 Gloucester to Salisbury due 20:06 will no longer call at Chippenham, Trowbridge and Dilton Marsh.
It will be starting late from Gloucester.
This is due to trespassers on the railway earlier today.

Re: My new car, as yet unbuilt, is already in love with me
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [361998/30325/5]
Posted by Marlburian at 19:06, 6th June 2025
 
Oops, I omitted the last part of the cutesy letter and my comment, and I can't modify my original post. It should have continued:

... ) and the things you will need to do.

If you have any questions, just call; they are a friendly bunch.

Missing you already!

Your New Car"

Yuk? I do hope that the car won't be too upset because I opted out of £800+ of bodywork & interior protection and chip repair insurance. In a moment of weakness I agreed to pay £332 for an extended warranty, but may cancel that. The  dealer's trade-in offer for my car was disappointing at £8000; the day before another dealer with whom I'd discussed another car offered £8,500. Webuyanycar offered £9,200, increased a day later to £9,410, though they're unaware of a couple of bodywork blemishes that the dealers know about. The Road Fund was a bit of a shock -I gather there there's a hefty premium for the first year. And I wasn't amused by the fact that it runs from June 1. Delivery is estimated for early August (four weeks before the MoT, Road Fund renewal and service for my existing car fall due).



Re: My new car, as yet unbuilt, is already in love with me
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [361997/30325/5]
Posted by JayMac at 18:59, 6th June 2025
 
Anthropomorphising (that took several goes to spell correctly!) a new car purchase? Nothing new under the sun when it comes to marketing. Although it seems a little bit OTT when the dealer has already (presumably) got your money.

My new car, as yet unbuilt, is already in love with me
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [361996/30325/5]
Posted by Marlburian at 18:01, 6th June 2025
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This morning I ordered a new car and on my return home found several emails from the dealer including this:

"I'm so excited. When I heard you'd placed an order for me my heart jumped a beat; we're going to have such fun together.

Before we can start our adventure, the lovely people at [dealer] will do lots of things and they've asked me to explain. You will see a timeline above of next steps and in the box below they have detailed what they will do to get me ready (looking forward for that bit

Re: Announcement - Billions of investment on tram, train and bus projects.
In "Looking forward - the next 5, 10 and 20 years" [361993/30318/40]
Posted by Red Squirrel at 15:06, 6th June 2025
 
Here's WECA's press release:


West welcomes record transport funding

Leaders across the region have today welcomed more than three-quarters of a billion pounds set to be invested in transport projects in the West. The Chancellor has announced plans to more than double investment in local transport in England’s city regions, committing to “investment in all parts of the country, not just a few.”

Around £150 million would further improve rail infrastructure across the region and support ambitions for four trains per hour across our growing suburban rail network, including between economic growth zones like Brabazon and Bristol Temple Quarter.

With the West of England Mayoral Combined Authority area already benefitting from a nearly 50% increase in funding to fix potholes this year compared to last year, we are paving the way to the future. Continued funding through transport settlements is supporting the maintenance and enhancement of roads, bridges, and active travel routes. These essential improvements – delivered through close collaboration between local councils and the Mayoral Combined Authority – are not just about upkeep; they’re enabling the long-term transformation of how people move around the region.

This news comes just a day after the opening of Bristol’s first electric bus depot in Hengrove, with electrification set to take place in Bath and Lawrence Hill next year. More than 250 new electric buses are set to serve bus passengers across our region next year. Some £200 million of the new funding from the Treasury would provide scope to improve and extend services, transform the network, and deliver an electric fleet and the associated charging infrastructure.

Significant funding, in the region of £200 million, would enable mass transit development between Bath, Bristol, South Gloucestershire, and North Somerset. Trams, an extension of the popular Metrobus services, rail, light rail, and guided buses are all currently on the table. In the autumn, a new transport vision will set out the long-term direction of travel for the West of England.

 

Welcoming the news one month after she became Mayor, Helen Godwin, the new Mayor of the West of England, said:

“Our region has a strong economy overall, but we know that congestion has held the West of England back from achieving its full potential. We’ve been stuck in the slow lane on transport for too long. Our potential additional contribution to the national economy is enormous. It’s time to invest in the West and unlock that growth.  

“I promised to work with government and get the West of England moving. Three-quarters of a billion pounds of new money for transport will do just that, as we start a new chapter for our region. Together, we need to accelerate plans to secure better buses, deliver more trains and railway stations, and give local people proper alternatives to their cars. Trams, Metrobuses, rail, light rail, and guided buses are all on the table to make that a reality.

“Over the years, as a region, we’ve talked too much about mass transit and delivered too little. It’s finally time to deliver a mass transit system that people can rely on. Working with the new government, and with genuine collaboration between local councils, it’s time for real change.”

 

Sarah Warren, Deputy Council Leader and Cabinet Member for Sustainable Bath and North East Somerset, said:

“This investment marks a turning point for sustainable transport in our region. It is a huge opportunity to deliver a cleaner, greener and more connected future that our communities deserve. From progressing mass transit options to electrifying our bus fleet across Bath & North East Somerset, this investment will help us tackle costly congestion, achieve our net zero targets, and make it easier for people to choose public transport, walking and cycling. On top of the work that’s already being achieved in B&NES, this is welcome news for our region. We look forward to working with our regional partners to deliver a transport system fit for the 21st century.”

 

Councillor Tony Dyer, Leader of Bristol City Council, said:

“This fresh investment is very welcome and allows us to finally begin to achieve the regional mass transit system we've needed for so long. Our plans are already in place to make our bus networks more available, to expand the reach and access of rail and to connect the communities of Bristol with opportunities in our city and the wider West of England. This new funding will allow us to get on with creating the transport system Bristol is crying out for.

“I look forward to working with Helen and my fellow leaders to deliver for the people in our region.”

 

Councillor Maggie Tyrrell, Leader of South Gloucestershire Council, said:

“We’re very pleased to see this significant funding coming to the West of England that will help us move towards a fully integrated public transport system that works for residents and businesses. Investment in the region’s transport infrastructure is vital to help people keep moving around the area and we need better, more reliable bus services, more trains, and a mass transit system to offer more effective and sustainable travel choices.”

 

Cllr Mike Bell, the Leader of North Somerset Council, said:

“I welcome this funding as a positive step forward for our region. It’s vital that North Somerset benefits from mass transit development, which has the potential to transform how people travel and support our transition to a greener, more connected future. I’m committed to working closely with the Mayor and our partners to improve transport, unlock growth, and ensure our local economy continues to thrive.”

 

The new government set out the record settlement to the West of England Mayoral Combined Authority through Transport for City Regions as part of the Plan for Change, ahead of next week’s Spending Review.

The West of England delivered the strongest recent growth of any combined authority area (3%, 2023). The region is also predicted to achieve double the national forecast rate of productivity growth by 2040.

I've highlighted a couple of phrases:

"...support ambitions for four trains per hour across our growing suburban rail network" is very welcome. That would mean new trains, and some infrastructure interventions. (Doubling from Narroways to Clifton Down? Quad track to Parson St?) Would you do that without electrifying? I think 'ambitions' are slightly closer to plans than 'aspirations' are, but I may be getting ahead of myself.

"Trams, an extension of the popular Metrobus services, rail, light rail, and guided buses are all currently on the table". Be nice if they stated clearly that tram trains are on the table too, as WSP took them off it - wrongly, in my humble opinion!


Re: Penleigh Park Level Crossing (Westbury Avoiding Line) Closure Application.
In "London to the West" [361992/30322/12]
Posted by Mark A at 14:37, 6th June 2025
 

**Snip**

All the houses they've built around Penleigh Park LC though, surely improvements to the crossing should have formed part of the developers planning application and funded by them.   

Indeed. No one would consider building a housing estate without funding road access, why is ok to build one and not fund the needed improvements to its supporting active travel infrastructure. The diversion's lengthy and its poor quality as a walking route is baked in. It would be good if someone found a budget for this.

Mark

Mark

Re: First Group announce new open access service to Hereford
In "London to the Cotswolds" [361991/30323/14]
Posted by Richard Fairhurst at 14:31, 6th June 2025
Already liked by ray951, Mark A, TaplowGreen
 
2023: GWR (owner: FirstGroup) withdraw two daily services from Hereford to Paddington

2025: Lumo (owner: FirstGroup) propose two additional daily services from Hereford to Paddington

 

Paddle Steamer Waverley - merged posts
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [361990/19566/47]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 14:25, 6th June 2025
Already liked by froome
 
From the BBC:

Famous paddle steamer takes to Bristol Channel



The world's last seagoing paddle steamer returns to the Bristol channel this month.

The Waverley is a vessel of national significance and is registered on The National Historic Fleet with almost 80 years of service.

It has operated in preservation since 1975 becoming a "national treasure" after carrying an estimated six million passengers.

"We have developed the best possible sailing programme for the Bristol Channel to ensure that as many locals and visitors as possible have the opportunity to step aboard the Waverley," said Captain Dominic McCall.

Strong winds in early June affected an excursion and a crew member noticed a boiler leaking steam on the ship which needed to be repaired immediately.

The ship will now be ready to set sail again for its planned tours on 6 June where passengers can join a special fundraising cruise round the Holm Islands to help support the maintenance of Clevedon Pier, the only Grade 1 listed pier in England.



This season includes two planned trips to the remote Lundy Island – passengers that board the Bristol channel experience will be allowed to step ashore and explore the island.

To mark the 200th anniversary of the modern railway the Waverley is giving the "ultimate day out" by connecting three steam railways – the West Somerset, the Brecon Mountain and Lynton & Barnstaple railways by taking a paddle steamer and steam train trip.

Trips around the Bristol Channel and South West Wales are until 25 June, where the Waverley will be exploring Glasgow and Clyde Coast Summer from 27 June.



Re: Penleigh Park Level Crossing (Westbury Avoiding Line) Closure Application.
In "London to the West" [361989/30322/12]
Posted by eightonedee at 14:17, 6th June 2025
 
All the houses they've built around Penleigh Park LC▸ (Level Crossing) though, surely improvements to the crossing should have formed part of the developers planning application and funded by them.

They will have paid for this through Community Infrastructure Levy (CIL), for this site (a Zone 2 strategic site) at a rate of £30 per square metre of development, index linked from 2015 by reference to one of the building costs indices, to cover all the categories of infrastructure covered by Wiltshire's CIL policy, which includes upgrading public footpaths.

I note too that the site seems to lie on the site of the old Westbury engine shed. Was it sold by BRB/ Network Rail? If so they could have controlled this under the sales terms, but this would have reduced the value of the site by a sum to reflect the anticipated cost of these works.

The council could also have put a condition on the planning permission preventing occupation until the bridge was provided (and if Network Rail, as consultee, asked for it) but if there are objections and a public enquiry this clearly conflicts with housing delivery.

I agree entirely on the cost point. Why haven't  Network Rail developed off-the-shelf modular footbridges bearing in mind that they are closing crossings all round the country, often replacing them with bridges?

Re: Interrail, summer 2025 - daily diary thread of our travels
In "Introductions and chat" [361988/30276/1]
Posted by grahame at 12:21, 6th June 2025
Already liked by Timmer, PrestburyRoad, Oxonhutch, froome
 
Cross posted from Facebook ...

We're home. Six countries (England, Netherlands, Germany, Lithuania, Poland and France). 21 nights away. 54 trains on the pass from my home station until back here. 5 journeys over water. 12 journeys by bus. 8 journeys by other transits (taxis and trains not in the pass network). Would I do it again?  Nice to be home, but, yes, watch this space.  Five pictures now, one from each of the five countries visited.

Longest delay - around 90 minutes in Germany.  Longest wait for a connecting train - 55 minutes at Westbury (for what was perhaps the shortest journey too).

Best and only possible travelling companion - Lisa.  Best casual company - the university tutor / professor from Lithuania going to visit her boyfriend in Poland. Worst Company - the man who sprayed his deodorant all over himself and the carriage, ate his very smelly fish / beans, talked to himself all the time and changed his shoes and socks to bare feet - all in the space of 20 minutes of so before the ticket inspector found him to be ticketless and moved him on from (our) first class, quiet coach area.

It all makes for a wonderful story as did the retired couple going away for a weekend in Poland, the American group who spilled wine all over the train carpet and were a bit panicked about their connection, the young lady glueing on her false nails and applying eye liner and lip liner (using her phone as a mirror) on the TGV that turned her from pretty to false.

And - a word for public transport staff the continent over - you are so helpful. Thank you.










Re: Penleigh Park Level Crossing (Westbury Avoiding Line) Closure Application.
In "London to the West" [361987/30322/12]
Posted by grahame at 12:13, 6th June 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby, Mark A
 
Some more highlights from the application ...

The existing path, known as West 15/16, including the section over the level crossing (LC) (referred to by Network Rail as Penleigh Park FP level crossing), is currently open to the public.

The last routine level crossing risk assessment carried out by NR in August 2023 recorded a very high number of daily crossings, an average of 203.

This assessment was carried out post the redevelopment of the location. Until recently the crossing was rural on one side of the line, attracting only occasional use with leisure walkers and small amounts of commuters from Westbury. It is now a fully urban location both sides of the crossing are built with residential buildings up to the railway boundary.

The alternative route for the walking public would be via Oldfield Road, Bridge Court, Station Road, Amazon Way and vice versa, which is approximately an additional 1km journey. The alternative route from point to point is shown on Plan 2.

Network Rail have stated in their extinguishment application that there is now a serious risk of fatality If the level crossing is not closed. Network Rail’s assessment of safety concerns include the following:
• The level crossing has a very high number of daily crossings as it provides the most convenient access from the new housing development towards Westbury Town, local amenities, including the schools, shops, parks and recreation ground.
• The level crossing is located on the Westbury Avoiding Line which provides a faster link for trains.
• Network Rail is aware that the crossing is used by vulnerable and encumbered users deemed by Network Rail not be able to use the crossing with the same degree of awareness and safety as other users, the risk assessment modifies the time these users take to cross by 50%.
• Network Rail is also aware of misuse of the crossing.
• The crossing is already at the highest level of protection, therefore without the construction of a bridge no additional mitigation can be provided.

With the development and the crossing where it is, sure as eggs is eggs crossing use numbers were bound to increase.   There was a bridge at the top of the new development in plans but somehow that's not been built.  It would NOT have been a total alternative, mind you.  

I would totally agree that the current situation is a significant risk.  Rather arrogantly Network Rail suggest they cannot provide extra protection - surely they could provide worked barriers as in Poole.  They could of course make it safer by reducing trains speeds, but they ain't going to do that, are they - they say they can't.

What a mess ... it's not quite making 200 people each walk an extra 1km per day, but certainly significant inconvenience.    It strikes me that Network Rail really don't like providing bridges and will dodge and reduce facilities which don't generate them much income where they can.  Where else have they done that?  BUT - it really shouldn't be left "as is".

£5,000,000 pounds for a footbridge to replace the crossing


Ridiculous.  Someone mentioned it's a railway job, that's automatically an additional zero added!

All the houses they've built around Penleigh Park LC though, surely improvements to the crossing should have formed part of the developers planning application and funded by them.  

Totally agree that it should have been worked out as the houses were being planned for.

 
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