| Re: Clarification - Delay / repay on rail replacement buses Posted by Hafren at 22:25, 12th October 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
During a planned closure on my commute earlier this year, I made a few DR claims, and was quite irked from time to time watching the 'connecting' train departing as the bus arrived.
Sometimes the claims went through fine. I have no idea how they processed the total delay without tracking data; maybe they just accepted the times I put in.
Another time the response suggested they thought I was claiming for the delay compared to normal timetable. However appeal worked; I made clear that I was claiming for a delay against the replacement bus timetable and they accepted. (But still went down a delay tier with a 29 minute late arrival at destination on a connection-off-the-connection!)
| Re: Clarification - Delay / repay on rail replacement buses Posted by IndustryInsider at 20:34, 12th October 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
There is a bus dispatch app for GWR staff and I think late departures can be logged by staff on the ground at stations. Not sure if that feeds through to Tiger though for the CIS? And of course small places like Melksham don’t have bus coordinators or station staff.
Your proposed ‘Information At The Station’ scheme can perhaps obtain numbers for staff at Swindon, Chippenham and Westbury so you can try to keep tabs with them?
Agree with ChrisB that it’s far from simple providing tracking given the ragtag mix of executive coaches, normal buses and everything in between that are used for RRS services.
It’s like stepping back in time 15-20 years when all you could refer to at a bus stop was a sheet of paper with the timetable on.
| Re: Clarification - Delay / repay on rail replacement buses Posted by ChrisB at 20:24, 12th October 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Not the same company at all. Different registration numbers at Companies House.
Appalling programming. You should know all about that subject?
| Re: Clarification - Delay / repay on rail replacement buses Posted by grahame at 19:59, 12th October 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Buses are trackable by their owning company, not to a company that they are on hire to.
So there is no way that departure boards can show anything other than due time, and of course they disappear a minute after they're due to depart.
Little that can be done until tech is improved.
So there is no way that departure boards can show anything other than due time, and of course they disappear a minute after they're due to depart.
Little that can be done until tech is improved.
Trains run by First. Bus was a First bus. Same company.
If there's no way they can show anything but due time, why do they not say "Due Time" correctly, rather than "On Time" which lies / is false information?
| Re: Clarification - Delay / repay on rail replacement buses Posted by ChrisB at 19:53, 12th October 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
You'd need to set up numerous new bustimes feeds for many RRS services, and then the coach's transponder be switched between all these feeds, depending on which RRS service each coach was assigned to each week. Heavy workload for several people at least.
| Re: Clarification - Delay / repay on rail replacement buses Posted by bobm at 19:48, 12th October 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Well you say that but through open data, sites like bustimes.org show tracking information for a wide range of buses. I think it may be mandated by the Traffic Commissioners.
In the same way First Travel Solutions specify accessible vehicles presumably they could require tracking information which could then be fed through to screens or Worldline for Tiger feeds.
| Re: Clarification - Delay / repay on rail replacement buses Posted by ChrisB at 19:12, 12th October 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Buses are trackable by their owning company, not to a company that they are on hire to.
So there is no way that departure boards can show anything other than due time, and of course they disappear a minute after they're due to depart.
Little that can be done until tech is improved.
| Re: Clarification - Delay / repay on rail replacement buses Posted by grahame at 17:38, 12th October 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Having looked up ORR requirements, rail replacement buses must be shown on station departure boards in real time, so even somewhere like Melksham would show them on departure displays (although appears the departure board is whatever is there, (even a manual chalked up one)
The buses must also show correct destination (or rail replacement), not blank destination. Inside they have to have audio and visual announcements of the next stop, and if automatic announcements are not working then driver has to clearly use PA to announce approach to stops. (This has only been a recent 100% requirement, as transition since 2023 Public Service Vehicles Assessable Information legislation has now ended)
Seems to be more of a grey area regarding real time (eg GPS based) location data and times displayed on arrival boards. Currently appears to be more of an aspiration than an requirement.
I went down to Melksham Station at about quarter to three this afternoon (to see if the Smart Parking sign is still on show) and took the opportunity to observe.
At 14:40, The platform display said "No services from this platform'. The screen that overlooks the pick up and drop off car park area showed a number of buses - next one 15:00, to Chippenham, showing "on time"
At 15:08, I took another look at the display, and it said that the next service was bus to Westbury, "on time" for 16:10, with the next bus to Chippenham not until 17:26.
At 15:13, A bus rolls up headed to Chippenham.
Buses claiming to be "on time", not appearing and disappearing off the board seem calculated to mislead and worry customers. Buses can track these days, and if they're not doing so, the system should not say anything which might suggest that they are.
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Trains had passed through at 14:58 (southbound stone trucks) and 15:14 (northbound IET). Neither stopped.
| Re: Clarification - Delay / repay on rail replacement buses Posted by ChrisB at 15:44, 12th October 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
A quick Google search throws up the following
From National Rail website
A different timetable operates when rail replacement services are in use, and journeys may take longer than usual. However, if the replacement services are significantly delayed against that temporary change to the normal timetable, you can claim for delay compensation in the usual way.
From As an example, TfW has this
Buses can take longer to make a journey than trains. If you've made your journey on a planned rail replacement bus, we'll provide compensation if the bus arrives late, rather than the rail service it has replaced.
If you've caught an emergency rail replacement bus that wasn't planned in advance, we'll provide compensation based on the time your train was scheduled to arrive.
If you've caught an emergency rail replacement bus that wasn't planned in advance, we'll provide compensation based on the time your train was scheduled to arrive.
| Clarification - Delay / repay on rail replacement buses Posted by grahame at 13:38, 12th October 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Can you confirm my understanding here - as I understood it, a rail replacement bus is in effect a trin on the road, and if a GWR rail replacement bus gets held up, you can claim delay/repay in just the same way.
I am answering ...
Darren Carey
If you use bus replacement you need a ticket and no delay repay will denie any claim
If you use bus replacement you need a ticket and no delay repay will denie any claim
My reply
Darren Carey - No - you are wrong. A rail replacement bus counts as a train as far as delay/repay is concerned. However, rail replacement buses typically don't track so you may have to appeal an initial automated denial as it assumes buses are on time.
If you use a normal registered public bus then, yes, there is no commitment from either the bus or the train company so compensate or make other arrangements for you if a delay or cancellation results in a missed connection.
If you use a normal registered public bus then, yes, there is no commitment from either the bus or the train company so compensate or make other arrangements for you if a delay or cancellation results in a missed connection.














